Thursday, August 11, 2011

[discussion_vu] Kashmir, Manavadar and Junagarh are Pakistan




Kashmir, Manavadar and Junagarh are Pakistan



Kashmir is Pakistani territory. Manvadar is Pakistani territory and Junagarh is Pakistani territory. Half of Kashmir has been liberated, but the other half is still occupied. Manvadar and Junagarh is still occupied. Kashmir: Does the article of accession exist?

Map of Pakistani Azad Kashmir, Pakistani Northern Areas and Indian occupied Kashmir

Kashmir Banaiga Pakistan. Manavadar and Junagarh are part of Pakistan.

Northern Areas are not part of Kashmir and Azad Kashmir

Never Forget! 

Ladakh has a Muslim majority map. Kashmir valley map

There has been a lot of activity on discussing Kashmir. However there has been little progress.Peace is a two way street. Historians have looked at the promises of previous Indian leaders on the subject. Nehru's commitment to the people of Kashmir. Most Pakistanis know that Kashmir and Junagarh is Pakistani territory. There is a huge contraversy on the Article of Accession. Recently the grand daughter of Shaikh Abdullah described the AOA as "provisional. Many Pakistanis and world historians have gone further and do not accept the notion that any such document exists. Kashmir: Does the article of accession exist? India's UN seat is held hostage to the unresolved UN resolutions. US resolutions, and Nehru speeches on disputed nature of Kashmir.

Kashmiri Letter of Accession has never been shown to Pakistan or the UN, is lost, if it ever existed. 

 Pakistan and Chinakarakoram-highway.pngPakistani sites, please post this artilcle, improve on it and forward to all

Kashmiris have lost 100,000 lives for  "tehrik e ilhaq e Pakistan". Ladakh now is a Muslim majority area. Why didn't you go there? The people of Srinagar are under occupation, under threat of rape, killing, and forced deportation. How can a person with a knife on his/her head be able to tell the truth? They are not free to say what they want to Indian newspapers. Taking a poll in occupied Paris would have shown similar results.

 Pakistani sites, please post this artilcle, improve on it and forward to allPakistan supported China when she was recognized only by Albania, and built the bridge to the USA. This fact cannot be forgotten by the Chinese who mention it in every summit and mentioned it in this summit also.

Occupied Srinagar is influenced by the Kashmiri traitors Abdullah and sons who sold out to India and even changed the name of their party "Plebiscite Front". The question of an "independent" Kashmir is a red herring, a conspiracy and false trial balloon floated by India to keep it under her wraps. It is a non-starter. Selling Pashminas is a not an economy. Kashmir would be subservient to India. 

 

Continent of Dinia and dependencies Large Ch. Rehmat Ali Big mapAfter  Gurdaspur, a Muslim majority area was illegally given to India Kashmir's link is to India. Why waste people's time to ask such silly questions? The Naxalites want independence. Why doesn't India give it to the millions.

 Occupied Srinagar is influenced by the Kashmiri traitors Abdullah and sons who sold out to India and even changed the name of their party After  Gurdaspur, a Muslim majority area was illegally given to India Kashmir's link is to India. Why waste people's time to ask such silly questions? The Naxalites want independence. Why doesn't India give it to the millions.the-526-states-in-the-subcontinent.gif

According to the "1946 Act of Independence", the more than 500 states had only two choices, either join India or join Pakistan. There was no third choice. Hyderabad tried to exercise the third choice, and faced Indian Police action and elimination. Manvanagar and Junagarh acceded to Pakistan, but Indian forces occupied them.

chaudhy-rehmat-alis-pakistan-plan-1940.jpg After  Gurdaspur, a Muslim majority area was illegally given to India Kashmir's link is to India. Why waste people's time to ask such silly questions? The Naxalites want independence. Why doesn't India give it to the millions.Junagarh Manvanagar"The Muslim ruler of Junagarh, a state with Hindu majority population, announced his decision to join Pakistan. India responded by aiding and abetting the establishment of a so-called "Provisional Government" of Junagarh on Indian territory, which attacked Junagarh with Indian connivance and support. Subsequently Indian forces also invaded Junagarh, despite protests from Pakistan, in order to "restore law and order". A farcical plebiscite was organized under Indian auspices, and India annexed Junagarh. Similarly, in Hyderabad, a Hindu majority state, the Muslim ruler of the state wanted to retain an independent status. India responded by attacking Hyderabad and annexed the state by force. India sought to justify its aggression against Hyderabad and Junagarh on the plea that the rulers of Junagarh and Hyderabad were acting against the wishes of their people."

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the last Pakistani head of state to mention Junagarh and Manavadar. When I was growing up our Pakistani atlases showed Junagarh and Manavadar as Pakistani territory.

ManavadarManavadar acceeded to PakistanManavadar acceeded to PakistanManavadar acceeded to Pakistan

Junagarh remains Pakistani territoryThe occupied territory of Junagarh is located in current Gujarat.According to the census of 1941, 80 percent of the population of Junagadh were Hindus. But the ruler was Muslim. (Jammu and Kashmir was ruled by a Hindu King and about 80 percent of his subjects were Muslim.) Two days after Independence newspapers reported that the Nawab of Junagadh had acceded to Pakistan. The chronology of events that followed Junagadh's accession to Pakistan and Pakistan's acceptance of the accession has been recorded by the eminent Indian jurist A.G. Noorani, in his book The Kashmir Question (1964, Bombay), from which the following relevant passages have been taken. The events concerning Junagadh was recorded by Noorani to show the stand taken by the governments of India and Pakistan with regard to cases of disputed accession. This was as relevant in 1964 as it is today.

On September 12, Nehru sent a telegram to the Prime Minister of Pakistan which said: "The Dominion of India would be prepared to accept any democratic test in respect of the accession of the Junagadh State to either of the two Dominions. They would accordingly be willing to abide by a verdict of these people in this matter, ascertained under the joint supervision of the Dominion of India and Junagadh. If, however, the ruler of Junagadh is not prepared to submit this issue to a referendum and if the Dominion of Pakistan, in utter disregard of the wishes of the people and the principles governing the matter, enter into arrangement by which Junagadh is to be part of the Federation of Pakistan, the Government of India cannot be expected to acquiesce in such an arrangement."

On September 22, the governor-general of India wired to the governor-general of Pakistan: "Acceptance of accession to Pakistan cannot but be regarded by the Government of India as an encroachment on Indian sovereignty and inconsistent with friendly relations that should exist between the two Dominions. This action of Pakistan is considered by the Government of India to be a clear attempt to cause disruption by extending the influence and boundaries of the Dominion of Pakistan in utter violation of the Principles on which partition was agreed upon and effected."

In a communiqué issued on September 25, 1947, the Government of India set out their views and said that the "relationship of Junagadh to either of the two Dominions" should be "determined by a free expression of the will of the State".

On October 4, the Government of India considered the Junagadh situation. "It was decided to inform the Prime Minister of Pakistan that the only basis on which friendly negotiations could start and be fruitful was the reversion of Junagadh to the status quo preceding the accession of Junagadh to Pakistan and that the alternative to negotiations was a plebiscite."

In a statement on October 5, 1947, the Government of India recalled that the Governments of India and Pakistan had declared their determination in the Joint Statement issued on September 20 to rule out war. The Government set out their views in regard to the accession of Junagadh and said that they would not accept it "in the circumstances in which it was made." The Statement said: "Any decision involving the fate of large numbers of people must necessarily depend on the wishes of these people. This is the policy which the Government of India accept in its entirety and they are of the opinion that dispute involving the fate of the people of any territory should be decided by a referendum or plebiscite of the people concerned. This is a method at once democratic, peaceful and just. They suggest, therefore, that the issues regarding Junagadh should be decided by a referendum or plebiscite of the people of the State. Such a referendum or plebiscite should be held under impartial auspices to be determined by the parties concerned."

Two days later, the Government of Pakistan issued a statement setting out their views on the accession of Junagadh. The statement suggested the withdrawal of troops by the Government of India from Sardargarh and Batva and by Junagadh from Babariawad. "The Pakistan Government has also informed the Government of India of their willingness to discuss the conditions and circumstances in which a plebiscite should be taken by any State or States." In the light of events that happened later, it is a matter of regret that the two Governments did not explore this avenue to which both were then moving.

On November 9, 1947, India Armed Units moved into Junagadh. A telegram sent the same date by the Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to the Prime Minister of Pakistan mentions a request made by Major Harvey Jones, Senior Member of the Junagadh State Council, appealing to the Government of India to take over the Junagadh administration. "This request was made in order to save the State from complete administrative breakdown and pending an honourable settlement of several issues involved in Junagadh's accession."

The Government of Pakistan lodged a protest and contended that in view of the accession of Junagadh to Pakistan it continued to remain a part of Pakistan territory. When the Kashmir question came up before the Security Council in 1948, Pakistan raised the question of Junagadh but after a few inconclusive debates in March, April and May 1948

The status of Kashmir is disputed.  This is what the UN says. This is what the world says.

India claims that the original article of accession to India has been "lost", if it ever existed. The article of accession was never actually presented to the United Nations. The article of accession as presented to Lord Mountbatten had serious forgery issues based on the date and where and when it was signed. Apparently Hari Sing was not present in the place where it was purportedly signed.

Alister Lamb has written a book on the subject, and I have written many articles on it, even posted on the BJP website. The current president of Azad Kashmir is fully aware of the discrepancies, and started mentioning this fact on Geo TV last week and was rudely interrupted by Mr. Sheheryar. I wonder why? If Kashmiris are being asked the question of independence than all the 500 states of the Subcontinent should be asked the same question, Awadh, Goa, etc etc. Mizuram, Nagaland, Hydrabad should all be given independence.Lest some traitors forget.

I repeat:—- "Batt keh rahay kaa Hindustaan–Kashmir Banaiga Pakistan". Kashmir is Pakistan's "shehrag'. Pakistan was created on the "Two Nation Theory" where as the Muslim majority areas formed Pakistan. There is no confusion about the TNT. 

One of our leaders said:

"we will eat grass for a thousand years, if we have to, but  'Kashmir baniaga Pakistan' ".

Everything else if nonsense. No geopolitical realities can change truth from falsehood. 

INDIA'S COMMITMENT OF PLEBISCITE FOR

http://www.na.gov.pk/s_kashmir_india_comitment.html

THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR

"Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or State must be decided in accordance with wishes of people and we adhere to this view." ·

JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(in telegram No. 402-Primin-2227 dated 27 October 1947 to Prime Minister of Pakistan repeating telegram addressed to Prime Minister of United Kingdom).

"In regard to accession also, it has been made clear that this is subject to reference to people of State and their decision."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(in telegram No.413 dated 28 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

" …….the people of Kashmir would decide the question of accession. It is open to them to accede to either Dominion then."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(in telegram No.255 dated 31 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

"Kashmir should decide question of accession by plebiscite or referendum under international auspices such as those of the United Nations."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Letter No. 368-Primin dated 21 November 1947 to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

"We are anxious not to finalize anything in a moment of crisis and without the fullest opportunity to be given to the people of Kashmir to have their say. It is for them ultimately to decide.

"And let me make it clear that it has been our policy all along that where there is a dispute about the accession of a state to either Dominion, the accession must be made by the people of that state."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Broadcast to the Nation: "All India Radio": 2 November 1947).

"The issue in Kashmir is whether violence and naked force should decide the future or the will of the people."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in Indian Constituent Assembly; 25 November 1947).

"We have not opposed at any time an over-all plebiscite for the State as a whole……."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(in telegram dated 16 August 1950 addressed to the U.N. Representative for India and Pakistan: S/1791 : Anne 1(B).

"The most feasible method of ascertaining the wishes of the people was by fair and impartial plebiscite."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Joint press communique of the Prime Ministers of India and Pakistan issued in Delhi after their meeting on 20 August 1953).

"People seem to forget that Kashmir is not a commodity for sale or to be bartered. It has an individual existence and its people must be the final arbiters of their future."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Report to the All-India Congress Committee, 6 July 1951; The Statesman, New Delhi, 9 July 1951).

"Kashmir is not a thing to be bandied about between India and Pakistan but it has a soul of its own and an individuality of its own. Nothing can be done without the goodwill and consent of the people of Kashmir."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in the Indian Parliament, 31 March 1955).

"We had given our pledge to the people of Kashmir, and subsequently to the United Nations; we stood by it and we stand by it today. Let the people of Kashmir decide."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in the Indian Parliament, 12 February 1951).

"We have taken the issue to the United Nations and given our word of honour for a peaceful solution. As a great nation, we cannot go back on it. We have left the question for final solution to the people of Kashmir and we are determined to abide by their decision."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Amrita Bazar Patrika, Calcutta, 2 January 1952).

"If, after a proper plebiscite, the people of Kashmir said, 'We do not want to be with India', we are committed to accept that. We will accept it though it might pain us. We will not send any army against them. We will accept that, however hurt we might feel about it, we will change the Constitution, if necessary."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in the Indian Parliament, 26 June 1952).

"I want to stress that it is only the people of Kashmir who can decide the future of Kashmir. It is not that we have merely said that to the United Nations and to the people of Kashmir; it is our conviction and one that is borne out by the policy that we have pursued, not only in Kashmir but every where.

"I started with the presumption that it is for the people of Kashmir to decide their own future. We will not compel them. In that sense, the people of Kashmir are sovereign."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in Indian Parliament, 7 August 1952)

"The whole dispute about Kashmir is still before the United Nations. We cannot just decide things concerning Kashmir. We cannot pass a bill or issue an order concerning Kashmir or do whatever we want.

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(The Statesman, 1 May 1953)

"Leave the decision regarding the future of this State to the people of the State is not merely a promise to your Government but also to the people of Kashmir and to the world."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(In telegram No. 25 dated 31 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

"In regard to accession also it has been made clear that this is subject to reference to people of State and their decision."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(In telegram No.413 dated 28 October 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

"That Government of India and Pakistan should make a joint request to U.N.O. to undertake a plebiscite in Kashmir at the earliest possible date."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(In telegram No. Primin-304 dated 8 November 1947 addressed to Prime Minister of Pakistan).

"We have always right from the beginning accepted the idea of the Kashmir people deciding their fate by referendum or plebiscite……….."

"Ultimately, the final decision of settlement, which must come, has first of all to be made basically by the people of Kashmir……."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement at Press Conference in London, 16 January 1951, The Statesman, 18 January 1951).

"But so far as the Government of India are concerned, every assurance and international commitment in regard to Kashmir stands."

· JAWAHARLAL NEHRU

(Statement in the Indian Council of States; 18 May 1954).

http://www.na.gov.pk/s_kashmir_india_comitment.html

Kashmir in the United Nations

  • Resolution 38 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 229th Meeting held on 17 January 1948
  • Resolution 39 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 230th Meeting held on 20 January 1948
  • Draft Resolution presented by the President of the Security Council and the Rapporteur on 6 February 1948
  • Resolution 47 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 286th Meeting held on 21 April 1948
  • Resolution 51 (194 adopted by the Security Council at its 312th Meeting held on 3 June 1948
  • Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 13 August 1948
  • Resolution adopted by the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan on 5 January 1949
  • Proposal in respect of Jammu and Kashmir made by General A.G.L. McNaughton, President of the Security Council of the United Nations on 22 December 1949
  • Resolution 80 (1950) adopted by the Security Council at its 470th Meeting held on 14 March 1950
  • Resolution 91 (1951) adopted by the Security Council at its 539th Meeting held on 30 March 1951
  • Resolution 96 (1951) adopted by the Security Council al its 566th Meeting held on 10 November 1951
  • Resolution 98 (1952) adopted by the Security Council at its 611th Meeting held on 23 December 1952
  • Resolution 122 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 765th Meeting held on 24 January 1957
  • Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Cuba, U.K. and U.S.A. on 14 February 1957
  • Resolution 123 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 774th Meeting held on 21 February 1957
  • Draft Resolution presented by Australia, Columbia,Philippines on 16 November 1957
  • Resolution 126 (1957) adopted by the Security Council at its 808th Meeting held on 2 December 1957
  • Draft Resolution submitted by Ireland to the Security Council on June 22, 1962
  • Statement of the President of the Security Council (French Representative) made on the 18 May 1964 at the 1117th Meeting of the Council (Document No. S/PV. 1117, dated the 18 May l964) summarizing the conclusion of the debate on Kashmir
  • Resolution 209 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1237th Meeting held on 4 September 1965
  • Resolution 210 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1238th Meeting held on 6 September 1965
  • Resolution 211 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1242nd Meeting held on 20 September 1965
  • Resolution 214 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its 1245th Meeting held on 27 September 1965
  • Resolution 215 (1965) adopted by the Security Council at its1251st Meeting held on 5 November 1965
  • Resolution 303 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its1606th Meeting held on 6 December 1971
  • Question considered by the Security Council at its 1606th, 1607th and 1608th Meetings held on 4,5 and 6 December 1971
  • Resolution 307 (1971) adopted by the Security Council at its 1616th Meeting held on 21 December 1971


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M SHOAIB TANOLI
پاکستان زندہ باد   ۔ پاکستان پائندہ باد
Long Live Pakistan

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May This Ramadan be as bright as ever May this Ramadan bring joy, health and wealth to you
Long Live Pakistan
Heaven on Earth
Pakistan is one of the biggest blessings of Allah for any Pakistani. Whatever we have today it's all because of Pakistan, otherwise, we would have nothing. Please be sincere to Pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad!
Thank you for your assistance.

حضرات محترم: میری ایمیلز میری ذاتی پسند ہوتی ہیں، جنکا مقصد آپ سے رابطہ، دوسری ثقافتوں سے آگاہی، علم اور معلومات کا پھیلانا مقصود ہوتا ہے، اگر آپ کو ناگوار گزرتی ہوں تو ضرور آگاہ کیجیئے 

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